the campaign. papadopoulos was interacting. how long does mike pence get to stay in the curtains? >> it's a great question. bob mueller's been conducting this investigation going around talking to a number of people in the white house. he's interviewed numbers of people in the white house, interviewed reince priebus, interviewed the former press secretary. if mike pence had any involvement both either on the campaign side or obstruction of justice side through the involvement of firing of jim comey or other things he claimed he knew notion about until after the fact, we'll hear about it. pence might have been smart enough to recognize early on that this administration was a train wreck and at times he was better off hiding behind the curtains inside and not being involved with the president's reckless illegality. >> let me go back to elie. you have paul manafort on trial not related to this but potential tax evasion, money laundering, items like that. he's already in trouble.