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than him. again, that's an incumbent who is being defeated by huge numbers. that is a huge red flag right there. first of all, that mark harris goes from four absentee by mail votes in 2016 to like 400 in 2018. but it shows you that the two campaigns he was working for, his ties to these blowout victories and the numbers just stand out completely against what the other results are in the ninth district. >> what strikes me about this is this was not that secret in the sense that you, a very enterprising local tv reporter, has now been able to have two on camera interviews with individuals paid by him to do something facially illegal under north carolina law, protect ballots. this doesn't seem like a secret. am i wrong? >> everybody in bladen county seems to know who mccray dallas is, and i'll tell you pretty much everyone has an idea of what he's about. maybe not specifically what he

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