and number two, we have to make america what it's always been, a place of refuge. >> joining me now nbc's vaughn hillyard, garrett haake, and mike memly. most people think kamala harris won the first debate. last night was a much bumpier ride. what is her camp saying today? >> kamala harris in the first debate was the one who began pointing out the con traftd with joe biden and the former vice president said his record was the one being mischaracterized. several in the field had their records scrutinized yesterday. harris this morning on "morning joe" went on and said it was quite a joyless debate. the issue is in this type of environment there is only so much time to offer up contextualization, to offer up substance, especially when one's