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badly publicized there are positives. for instance they raised millions for charities and nearly 4 million of community service. >> why are they doing it? are they doing it to balance out the other things? >> reporter: for generations people are debating the merits of the greek system, and it is a debate that grows loudly when the members behave badly. dan simon, cnn, san francisco. >> let's talk to a former member of the sigma alpha epsilon of dartmouth, and also peter smith hizler the president and ceo of north american interfraternity conference and andrew, you saw the interview that i did with the two black members of sae, and there are people saying that these young men who are too close it to, and they could not

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