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northern border. our enemies know our border is porous. we have to fix the legal immigration system which has been broken for decades. >> this is something as a former ceo you know a lot about. i guess the basic question you can talk to in a way no one else can, democrat or republican running for president, is the economics. you have more than 11 million people living in the united states most of whom are fully committed to the country and have lives here for a while. sending them all home is not a practical option. they live here. the argument is if they are legalized, it is better for the economy. you're the only person with the standing to have a point of view on that. is it better for the economy? >> i think that's totally unclear. i also think the people who worked hard to earn citizenship the right way are fully committed to this country. i mean i know a lot of people and you do as well who took the oath who studied up who said you know i'm going to earn the privilege of citizenship. and people who came here illegally and who have stayed here illegally have not done any of that. >> would you send them home?