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controversial government. and we've done everything humanly possible, i believe, to try to make this work. now, if you compare this work with vietnam. first of all, in vietnam, we did have an effective counterinsurgency program called the phoenix program. and it involved going in at night and forcing the viet cong to either surrender or they died on the spot. some people called it an assassination program. the cia was taken to task for it and heavily criticized afterwards. and probably we said we'd never do something like that again. so, we're probably not really doing that in afghanistan, although we do, do special operations there at night and try to eliminate some people. but nothing like the scale of the phoenix program. so, we didn't really have the right tool in place militarily. we didn't have the right social and political backing. >> yeah. it's 20 years, that's a long