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policy experience, stood up for kind of traditional conservative values like standing with our allies abroad. i also thought mike pence had a good night. and you know, this is a man who's done two vice presidential debates, he's gone gubernatorial debates, so he's got that experience. but nearly every candidate on that stage was forced to admit something very important on the airways of fox news. that what vice president pence did to certify the election was the right thing to do and his constitutional duty. so i think that stood out to people. but listen, the reality is donald trump's 40 points ahead. even though polling would suggest that most republicans wouldn't support a convicted felon, donald trump kind of blows most polling out of the water. so i'm not really sure we can expect any coming wave to take him out of the front-runner status. >> david, it seemed as though fox wanted to move on from talking about trump and what happened on january 6th. but as alyssa noted, former vice president mike pence not only embraced the conversation, he really interrupted even to make