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dynamic. in past debates, we paid the most attention to the dynamic between her and vivek ramaswamy. we know vivek ramaswamy has launched a number of personal attacks against her. she swiped back at him, but her and desantis have sparred over policies, their records as governor of their respective state, and over na. you're going to see them contrast themselves i'm curious to see whether they step up their attacks on president trump. they are stepping up attacks last week, but unclear in a one-on-one situation they would do the same. >> the reality, you're right. we did see those jabs escalated on a national stage when people are paying attention, but they have both stayed away from what in a general election is likely to be trump's biggest challenge. that is the various legal issues that he's facing, which are