not green energy should be pushed or not purchased or are whether it is effective or not effective or makes economic sense. also goes to show you and i put this in line with the stimulus and the other things the president is talking about doing. you can't just throw money at sock and expect to art fixally stimulate it. this stuff has to organically thrive and grow on its own. >> mike: people have to want it. the government didn't have to subsidize the development of the iphone because people naturally want it. nobody had to say you will only buy a macbook if the government subsidizes it. people stand in line at the apple store to get them but nobody is standing in line to get the solar panels yet. i hope they do. i love the idea of it. i want it to happen. i think your word is perfect organically. >> thank you. >> mike: poverty rate, biggest increase in the poverty rate we had since 1993. more americans living under the line of poverty than we have seen in such a long time. let's talk about the significance of that.