>> i'm not disputing that. i'm not dispaougt that. but we have to make sure that we separate the moral duty from the criminal responsibility here in this case. >> i agree. martha: and the big question that is raised in some of this as well is penn state, and what's their responsibilities in terms of putting this football before everything, and what need to be done as a huge gesture on the part of penn state to make it very clear to the entire country where their priorities lie in all of this. that is something we'll discuss at a future date as well. tamara, trini thank you so much for being with us this morning. gregg: the school had three opportunities to stop it over six years they didn't do it, it didn't happen. they are going to get sued for millions of dollars. martha: some are saying they need to shut down the football program. for a year they need to do something that is big enough to make it so clear to the rest of the country that they understand that these children and their lives are far more important than any football game, any football program could possibly