karen harnett is executive director of the small business legal center at the national federation of independent business and a plaintiff in this case against the healthcare law and professor randy barnett is legal counsel for the federation. you have the weather of and the lawyer here challenging this law. and this is a huge week for you next week, a huge week for you as you try to get this law struck down. let me start with you, karen. in terms our viewers can understand, why do you think this law will be so harmful to businesses? >> right, well it's two fold. first of all we've got congress for the first time selling small business owners and indeed all americans across this country, you must go and buy this product and take your precious hard earned dollars, especially for small business owners, you can't put that into your business, no-no you need to buy this health insurance policy that you may or may not need or want. megyn: randy, the government has said it can do this because if they don't force karen to do that then her employees are good