how many say no? doug -- if the republicans offered to de-fund, eliminate, exemptions, and then go to conference, how is it not -- they're funding the government in every other regard, how is it their fault? >> it is their fault because the law is the law of the land. it was passed. and the way our system works, is laws are put into place, if you want to fight you fight at the ballot box. shaun, the democrats have basically won this fight, despite the fact that obama care is unpopular. i'm here to say with two thirds of the american people, unhappy with the obama care. the shutdown is the only way the democrats have a 10% lead in the generic vote. >> i keep hearing this, it is the law of the land. peter johnson, you're a lawyer, don't we overturn bad laws all the time? isn't there a constitutional -- >> all the time, the reason we