greg. i mean, look, it is true he embraced these people. they were the few people willing to embrace him. the united states held up sanctions. reagan continued to -- >> that's my point though. >> reagan had to be overridden by the congress in order to get those sanctions. >> that was my point though. >> i understand. i appreciate that. juan, one fast point, did the clerk who also won the nobel peace prize with mandela, did an awful lot to help mandela pave the way. the white africana. do you think that's a fair statement? >> i do. remember, they have a unity government. mandela is the first elected president of multiracial south africa. he makes the clerk his deputy president so there's a clear sign to the country, this is about reconciliation, moving forward. this is not about recriminations and bitterness. that's the inspiring part. inagree with you, bob. some of those countries,