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back to where it was over the past couple of years which was sort of do we even have an obligation to coffer him. do we have to, you know, give him the kind of attention that he deserves. obviously, as a former president and, you know, potentially the nominee of one of the two major parties which is, of course, a ludicrous statement, but it's what they really operated from all the way up until this primary began. howard: yeah. i think the debate about exposure or is a horrible idea with. i think that ship has sailed. kevin, desantis and haley spent so much time trash thing each other other their records that it just got swallowed up -- >> you know, i watched it very carefully, howie, and i felt like they missed an opportunity to sort of say this is my vision for america moving forward. i know that they have talking points, i get all that. but they spent so much time in the muck and the mire and not enough time, in my opinion, to say this is what separates me from donald trump. this is my positive vision. he was all right. if you feel that way, go for him. but i'm different, i'm better.