the other and she said do you want either one of these? they're the only thing i have in the house, i'm going to lose 40 pounds. and i knew she was not going to lose 40 pounds. you could just tell that this is not -- this is a woman who loves life too much to be hemmed in by that. but i liked her immediately and i think like everyone who encountered her, you felt this special kinship with her right away. >> sure and jennifer, i know you feel that, you know, the thing about her that stood out was she was such a great mom. ellis, i understand you new up with their son wade. who tragically was killed at age 16 back in 1996. a lot of people don't realize this, but for a very long time, elizabeth edwards who never really got over that as nobody really would would go to his grave and read to him every day. >> well, that is true. she visited as well as the family visited oakwood cemetery quite often. i think it was just a place for her to -- to remain, you know,