but here is an honorable man he worked hard on that speech. for people to say bush lied and colon powell lied and condi rice lied or cheney lied or wums feld lied it's not true. he believed every word he gave in that speech. >> you were not complimentary of condoleezza rice's organizational skills you felt? >> that's a tough job national security advisor. she is very intelligent. sree had an excellent relationship with the president which is terribly important to have that relationship. and to be the person responsible to work with the president on a daily basis in all of these important national security issues during two wars is hard. >> you attributed some of it to her academic background. >> i don't know how to attribute it but you are right. in the academic community you have lot of meetings. you don't have to get things resolved immediately. in a war things had to get