blueprint for the high court's decision. with us the author of constitutional law court. thanks for being with us. the supreme court essentially sent it back to the state knocking down the marriage ban in california. but not ruling more broadly for the country. why should we be looking closely at what the federal court did in perry? ? that's right. we should look at it. this was as you said the first federal trial. and so it gave us the highest conversation, the highest level conversation we've ever had in marriage because it was more rigorous, more comprehensive, and it was a human event in a dramatic way that i think made the ultimate case for same-sex marriage. >> you were at the oral arguments at the supreme court last week. one of the interesting things we could hear from the voices of the justices of the discomfort that i think a lot of people at least older americans' voice, which is well even if this might be okay gosh, it seems like a