of president of the governor's association as well. >> and i was struck by the guy who grew up with the pomp and circumstance of the dad and around the politics of d.c. and the vice president and in the white house, and him being so humble, and approachable, and kind, and nice arngd it is not the thing that you would expect. >> well, no, when i talk toded to the reporters yesterday, i used the word unags assuming a whole lot, and caring a great deal. and for a fellow who came with the pedigree that he has to be as unassuming and caring as he s is, it is pretty remarkable, and i have spent a lot of time in uniform, and retired navy captain, and delaware national guard, and he decided to join the national guard and he decided to do it. he didn't have to. and some people thought that he wanted to the embellish the resume, no, no. he climbed the ranks, and became a major. and he went to iraq.