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will last, the superseding indictment will last till antiquity. this is such a tight case. the evidence is so overwhelming. >> again, that's trump's old lawyer. we are also keeping a cool's eye on special counsel jack smith's next move in the 2020 election interference. case this week his office met with trump's attorneys but so far there has been no indictment. with that, let's get smarter with our lead off friday night panel. i want to start with the next national editor of the washington post, pulitzer prize-winning journalist our friend phil rucker, glenn thrush joins us, justice department reporter from the new york times, an msnbc legal analyst, mary mccord, former acting assistant attorney general for national security at the doj. mary, you've got to help us here. looking at this new indictment, what do you notice about jack smith's case there wasn't so obvious before? >> i think there's two main things. the first indictment recounted this incident in bedminster