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say and have shown this ruined their lives in some ways. >> well, chris, that's absolutely right. to piggy back on what barbara was talking about, one of the things that fani willis is going to have to do in this case is give the victims of these acts an actual face that the jury can connect to. that's something she's going to be able to do with this count that deals with ruby freeman and shaye moss because now you're not talking about these very lofty ideas that you've talked about with respect to democracy and democratic institutions. you're talking two real human beings whose pain, whose struggle we have seen since they testified in front of the january 6th commission. and to hear their story, you can't help but to be impacted. that's going to be a huge thing for fani willis to be able to engage as a prosecutor. the other thing that's very important, chris, is for a while now, a lot of people have been saying well, donald trump may have tried to do this but it