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it all? >> the problem is that the university as become an unhappy place. when you went to college, college was something, the attitude was alive and fun. now, a lot of colleges, the culture is more one of anger and sadness. >> okay, that's so interesting, just this week, when i interviewed the head of harvard princeton, i kept thinking, it's christmas break, the senior year. when i was in that position, i was just get getting ready for spring break, thinking about where i would work, but i was filled with joy and friendship. it's so heavy. >> it's very heavy. part of that is that it's a reflection of america today. you do so much sports tough in politics. you notice no one is happy in politics. nobody laughs about politics, nobody has friendship in politics. there's a reason for. this politics in america has become a sort of activism. activism is not fun. activism is heavy, activism with anger and sadness and conflict. when he taken activists culture to a place like academia, you get a lot of anxiety, a whole lot of depression and a whole lot of problems like we see today. what's the solution? it's more inquiry, more curiosity, more sense of intellectual adventure.