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to do what you want in the future, and pay no consequences. that's his dream. >> but you -- know he also warned that there will, quote, be bedlam in the country if criminal cases denying him returning as president. what do you make of his word choice there? bedlam, is this the equivalent of, is this the 2024 equivalent of they will -- ? >> exactly, that's exactly what i was thinking, as you were forming that question, jonathan. hi-yah likes to play at these things, he is a master at communicating in ways that are obtuse. but you get the message. like some people are saying, blah blah blah. or, i've heard that, blah blah blah. he tries to couch it in ways that he has wiggle room, but what he does is that he sees this underbelly of cynicism and distrust in our government, distrust in our institutions, distrust in our military and law enforcement. distrust in our very values,