>> i think it has little to do with what's taking place as much as his presence has to do with the other arab allies of egypt who fear he was the firewall between them and the demonstrators. >> what does good does it do them to keep the title and the power? >> because it doesn't create the impression to the other potential demonstrators in the old country they can send their own leaders packing on a plane to saudi arabia or elsewhere. >> oh, they're afraid that exile looks too inviting for people of their countries? >> that's right. >> what is it in middle eastern culture -- in our country if you don't like richard nixon, you send him on a plane to california. or jimmy carter, if you beat him to re-election, he goes downs to plains, georgia. there's something in the islamic culture, he's got to get out of the country. what is this about exile? is this an old banishment thing from the caravan, if you're bad, we send you away? why do they want him to leave? >> it doesn't have anything to