40,000 troops. what i'm hearing is that it's probably going to wind up being somewhere around the 20,000 to 25,000 troop level with the troops going into try to secure the second largest city in afghanistan, kandahar and 10,000 of whom and the others working to train an afghan army. the uth thing i would say about the democracy issue, you can make a strong case that the attempt to establish a democracy in afghanistan is destabilizing the country given the enormouses amount of corruption that we saw in this past election. i think it's really premature and almost arrogant. it was for us to try and do this, but this was one of the bush administration policies. i think that if you're going to stabilize that country, it has to be done from the bottom up, which is what counterinsurgency tries to do. >> and, in fact, what richard haas and other people suggested