now moving closer to the attachment, you see some movement there, david, with the shovel around the attach.kind of hit it. >> i want interrupt, i heard from -- apparently kusa, their photo journalist is on the scene saying there was nobody in this compartment, the compartment is empty, which would explain, then, i suppose the way -- >> why they are handling it. >> trying to officially sort of verify that and then that gets, obviously to a couple of questions. did the boy fall out along the way or some part of hoax, effort, attention by the family a lot of people already suggesting is a strange family to begin w. >> let's listen in. >> now using a pocket knife to cut the rest of that open, the door is -- you said it was the door is open at this point. they are cutting the rest of the balloon open at this point.