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president zelenskyy insists that negotiations that are happening right now in the europe, in ukraine, which is quite a civilized country. this is very painful. julia mandel, thank you so much for bearing witness. and joining me now is phillipo grando, i would like to get your reaction. this obviously affects the refugees as well as the rest of the world, maybe more so than the rest of us in having come through the terror of leaving ukraine. you know, i always say that of course we need to do more for people in ukraine, bring them more food, more medicines, more blankets. we re trying to do our best with the government of ukraine. the reality is people flee