>> i don't think there's a movement here or support for the notion that we'll round up and deport 12 people. >> how we deal with it is important. >> we need to secure the borders. >> we are declaring a state of emergency. >> the academy has rescinded that nomination. >> i'm alone, yet not alone. >> we begin with the announcement that amanda knox has been convicted once again of murder by an italian court. knox and her former boyfriend were found guilty of the 2007 murder of meredith kirch rer. a court overturned the ruling and they were released. a court ordered a retrial. an appellate court sentenced knox to 28 years imprisonment. knox lives in the u.s. what happens next. the criminal defense attorney for amanda knox joins us. an appellate court finds her innocent, another finds her guilty, how does that happen? >> it's an excellent question. as you reported. amanda knox was previously found innocent by - that's actual innocence, not guilty, innocence by an appellant court jury, and at that time there was no evidence, and there's no new evidence today. yet another appellate court jury, who reheard the case has found her guilty. that is why this case inevitably and clearly demonstrates a gross miscarriage of justice, because there's no new evidence, there's no evidence, there was no evidence, there'll never be any evidence, and that's why this is beyond comprehension how any other verdict could have been, other than that of not guilty. >> so this, again, will probably go to the italian supreme court. what do you think will happen there? >> we'll continue to remain hopeful, but we cannot say. when you review of the evidence, and you know that this was a horrific gruesome murder, a bloody murder and how tragic a lose to have lost meredith kircher, yet there's no evidence of amanda knox in the room when merd dith was killed, or on her person. there was no hair, fibre, shoe print, footprint, palm print, sweat, d.n.a. are amanda knox in that room. that in enough tells you that it's virtually impossible. it's absolutely impossible, it's an uninsaleable truth that knox could not have been involved. you can't remove what you can't see. >> another appellate court found her guilty. what happens in the verd ict is affirmed. do you think italy would try to ex-bed it her from the -- expedite her from the u.s. >> it's understandable why that question may be posed. amanda knox was not required to go back to italy for the proceedings. >> it was lawful for her not to return there. the coward said as much. when the prosecution obtained the conviction they asked the judge to issue a questionnairy arrest warrant. it was rejected. what we have is she'll be appealing to the supreme court of italy. we certainly remain hopeful, assuming the evidence is evaluated based upon the previous finding and the facts that haven't changed that she was found innocent that there remains hopes. many issues arose and we have to remain vigilant and see what happens. as far as the extradition question, it's not in play unless and until all appeals are over, and then there are substantial defenses if that should come into play. they are not in play at this time. >> i wanted to ask you a couple of quick questions. a rejection of double jeopardy is a basic principal of that law. if the italians ask for her to be extradited, would the u.s. grant it? >> i'm not in the prediction business. it would be less than prudent for me to explain to you the various defenses that can and would be raised if that materializes. there's more steps in front of us. first, the conviction has to be aconfirmed. it could be further appeals from that. they have to make requests to the executive department to the executive department. so before we get to the potential of litigating the questions that, you know, inevitably arise, it's not there. and i will tell you for having significant experience in this area, it's not a simple process, and it's not a matter that we have an existing bilateral treaty between the two countries. >> it would raise diplomatic questions if we got to the point and she was not extradited, we may have issues. if we wanted to extradiet someone convicted in the u.s. and was sent to italy. >> each case is determined on their own merits. amanda knox's case is unique, given the fact that there's no evidence against her. i think that is a distinguished and compelling point. there's a profound absence of evidence in this case, and that is not going to change. >> it's incredible that the case is ongoing. appreciate you coming on. thank you. >> we return to a new republican push for immigration, calling for a path to legal status, but not citizenship for many of the adults in the u.s. illegally. it's an effort inside and outside the g.o.p. house speaker john boehner spoke about rewriting laws at the annual retreat on thursday. >> the problem has been around for 15 years, it's been turned into a political football. i think it's unfair. i think it's time to deal with it. but how we deal with it is going to be critically important. >> some republicans say they cannot support a path to citizenship for immigrants that broke the law. >> it would be a mistake if how's republicans supported amnesty for those here illegally. we need to secure the borders. >> for more on the new push, we are joined by the executive director of the center for immigration studies, joining us from the washington d.c. studios. let's look at what congressman paul ryan had to say? >> we are looking at ideas based on the brings -- on the principals. if certain things are met, you satisfy probation, you pay a fine. if the border is secured, and interior enforcement independently verified, you can get a work permit. >> isn't there a middle ground that could work putting legalization on hold based on border security and other things happening. >> it's not a middle ground. as congressman ryan said everyone would be legalized. you can be probationary. the amnesty is over at the beginning before the enforcement happens, and if anyone believes that an amnesty will be deamnestied if certain border achievements haven't been made is not living in the real world. >> in the piece you wrote in the national review. you said the basic outline should be enforcement first. targeted at the proevenings of new illegal immigration. once that is in place we can move on to the ground bargain amnesty in exchange for an end to mass legal immigration. now that the house republicans have come up with this, do you think the suggestion of yours, focussing on enforcement is worth it. >> the principles will not go anywhere. this is the same as the senate principals. the gang of eight being the republicans will say. the amnesty of the illegal immigrants will not get citizenship. everyone knows they will. that's the difference. i don't see it going anywhere. there'll be a need to think through how to address the issue next year and the year after and the year after. >> this is really a big political hot potato. a a ann koulter got hold of a report showing that current immigration policies will spell doom. koulture says you will immigrants have been the ball work of the democratic party, is that what your center found. >> not that all are, but disproportionately, lopsidedly. immigrants and his panics are disproportionately big government liberals. they are. they support taxation, suspicious of capitalism, they support gun colt. the republicans can reach a significant share of immigrants and his panics, but not the majority of them. it can't happen, it's a fantasy to think so and the first step to evanning ellising if you will among conservatives is to slow down future immigration. if they don't do that they'll never catch up. >> don't they need to reach hispanic voters. mitt rommy, talking about immigrants, doesn't this plan reach out to the latino community that sees deportation, and not citizenship as the big issue. >> romney, if he got 70% of the votes would have lost. his defeat had nothing to do with the hispanic vote. number two, reaching out to hispanic voters are important. there are american voters that republican needs to reach out to, and a better candidate with a message tailored to the concerns of wage earners will do better among his panics and others. that's where they need to look, not look at immigration as a magic bullet. >> what do you think will happen, there are divisions within the republican party, especially with 2014 elections and primaries within the republican party where some moderate republicans face conservative opposition. >> they are, especially if they jump aboard the amnesty train. i think you'll see activity in the house, they may pass a couple of targeted bills, send them to the isn't it and they won't act. they say they are okay with separate bills. everything in the senate package has to be sent over to them, even if it's in pieces. only then will they act on it. i don't see it happening. i think we'll end with no bill on the president's desk. >> it will be an ongoing battle. thank you for being on the show. >> now turning to the 1%. the issue of equality has become a popular talking point, putting the wealthiest among us on the defensive. >> we have someone that stepped forward to complain. >> the 1% are not causing inequality. near the job creators. it's absurd to demonize the rich. i feel, however, that as a class i think we are beginning to engage in class warfare. and the editor and founder of future of capitalism.com and author of j.r. k conservative. tom perkins wrote an alert to the "wall street journal" comparing the criticism of the 1%. comparing the pers accusation of the 1% -- persecution of the 1% to the persecution of the nazis, he did apologies. >> it's a bad idea to compare anything other than nazis to nazi germany, but i think perkins is getting attention because he tapped into a real feeling. it's not just paranoia, taxes are going up. politicians are dema going the issue, instead of thanking the rich for creating value and jobs, they are demonizing them suggesting they are to blame. >> what is the fear. yes, we have the income tax increase, but other than that, even president obama when he talked about it in the state of union didn't really say anything that would seriously impact the lives of the nation's top earners. >> well, president obama has used the term fat cats to describe wall street bankers, the occupy wall street protest, a very violent rhetoric with the columbian professor encouraging the crowds to take what is theirs. and tax increases can't be waved away pore shrugged off. they are already paying tens of millions, hundreds of millions in taxes. now the mayor of new york wants to raise taxes on taxpayers in new york. even though the governor of new york says the tax increases are necessary to pay for the mayor's programs. it seems vindictive. that's real money. more than half of what they earn in a lot of cases. so that can start to chaff. >> i do want to get to the major of new york in a moment. the gulf between the richest 1% and of the rest of america is the widest it's been since the roaring 20s, it's got people who are making hundreds of millions. is there room for adjustment. people in the highest tax areas of this country are paying. is there room for the richest among us to give back a little more. >> well, the richest people in america, warren buffet and bill gates signed pledges to give away half of what they earn. bill gates is looking for people in africa, sick children fighting disease, who are poorer than the poorest people in america. they are giving back a lot philanthropically and through income taxes rich people in america are paying more than they are getting back in terms of services. and a lot of people in the bottom quintiles are not paying any at all. they are taking more in food stamps and welfare payments than they are paying in taxes. we should tackle the poverty, opportunity, growth issue, but framing it as inequality suggests that these people who got to the top, bill gates, >> is your problem with the rhetoric. >> yes, but the rhetoric is a problem. if people in america get the idea that there's something wrong with being rich, they'll stop starting company, working hard. you know, and they'll feel bitter towards each other. this is - president obama attracted everyone's attention by talking about one america not red versus blue, rich versus poor. we have gotten away from that unfortunately. >> you mentioned bill de blasio the mayor in new york, and there was a big to-do because the upper east side, where a lot of wealthy new yorkers lived, the streets were not ploughed during a snow storm and people thought it was revenge on bill de blasio who called for higher taxes on richer new yorkers. what are the consequences? do you thing people would leave new york if taxes are higher. >> people are leaving new york and moving to florida, or connecticut, where the taxes are lower. i have friends saying one of the benefits of being rich is you get to live where you want to. at a certain point it is economically almost suicidal to choose to live in new york when you can move to florida, which has to income tax at all. people are doing that. i mean the tv and radio host announced they'd move out of new york following other talk show hosts, and the governor of florida called him the next day to convince him to move down. particularly at the high end, capital, jobs, all very mobile, and it's very easy to move from state to state. harder to move from the united states. some have done that, moving to singapore, switzerland or other tax haifness. >> we'll see where the debate goes. great to have you on the show. >> coming up, push back against pot. growing concern from communities that wish legalized marijuana would go up in smoke. california in crisis over a devastating drought. why they are running low. what is trending? >> there's a global learning crisis. i'll tell you more coming up. what do you >> >> legal recreation of marijuana has been on the mark. some communities are pushing back. proponents like to talk about the tax revenue. money that will not go to the black market. in seattle users celebrated soon after a referendum passed that made the drug legal. >> 3, 2, 1. >> did you think you'd see this day? >> i certain did not. i'm kind of glad it's here now. >> opponents don't share the sentiments. they say marijuana is an addictive drug. for more i'm joined by a minister whose effort helped get marijuana businesses banned from her city. great to have you with us, pastor. what happened in your community sips marijuana became legal? has it caused problems? >> it caused a great deal of problems. the people are divided. the council is divided. there's a lot of frustration in yakima. >> were you surprised when voters approved medicational marijuana. >> i was shocked. i didn't realise we had lookout sheltered our standards to that degree. >> go ahead. >> i know that people in your family had issues with marijuana. >> we have. i had a sister that was 11 years old, and she started to use marijuana when she was 11 and through her life she died when she was about - i think 46 years old, and it all started with marijuana. and she was at the place where she n couldn't live. her body wasted away. it starts with the small things. i never saw a sea not grow into something bigger. >> sorry. >> i had brothers that's been imprisoned, family members, i worked with a program called the national meantist program and i can't tell you the time i had to take them out into the cabin and get them off of the drugs and watch them cry at night, and watch the frustrations with the families, and all the hurt and the pain that the families have to suffer. >> yak ima is a city where they were to ban cities. cities can ban the businesses. the aclu and others try to ban the bans. what do you think will happen, do you think more communities will try to ban businesses. >> well, you know, i think that we need to rally together, stand up and be counted in regards to this ban. i'm hoping that other cities, other businesses will band together and rally for what you believe in. if you believe this is wrong to have marijuana, and that we should ban it, i think all the pastors, we need to stand and be counted. we are considered to be the leaders and authority. if we don't stand together and give the message to the nation that this is wrong, where is the world going to go. >> i want to read you comments that president obama made about marijuana in an interview published last week. the president said: >> what was your reaction to that? >> the problem i see with that is that it sounds like the president says what is good for the goose should be good for the gander. if there's nothing wrong, why can't his daughter have it. in one article he said it could be an experiment. why not experiment with your daughters. you know, i'm very, very appalled at that statement. because he, as a leader of the federal government said, "no", then it should be no. there shouldn't be questions. he of all people should learn the protocol. he can have his views, that's fine. i want to commend the federal government because they have made a statement to say no. i'm watching to see what is the federal going to do. what consequences will there be. someone has to have some consequences and send a message. we say no. someone needs to send a message. >> we have a social media question. >> viewer alex says, "i have yet to see a downside to legalizing marijuana, that is commensurate for the war on drugs", he's talking about gaoling people for possession. are you concerned about people being gaoled for nonviolent offenses like marijuana possession. >> there's a great threat to this democracy. the civil society. and that is mankind himself. mann's morals and values. because we don't live by god's standard, you'll have a lot of problems. if you break the law, you should go to gaol. i think there'll be ramifications that we are not looking at here, with the people being on marijuana. you have bus drivers that drive little kids to school. you have drivers driving your seniors around town. you have air flights and all kind of transportation assistance. you know, let me say plainly, there is no way that i would want to trust a pharmacist to fill my prescription. you see, we have come to the place where we think just because it brings in revenue, we think that is okay. now we are prostitutes. >> on the other hand people's ideas and morals and certain thinks evolve over time. a national poll found half american adults think regulated businesses should be allowed to sell marijuana, 43% disagreed. what would you say. a quick final word for people that want businesses to sell marijuana. >> you know what, the federal said no. god has said no. god makes the constitution. >> god has said no about marijuana. >> he has said no about the way we live our lives. he said, "we are not to be drink with the things of the world, such as marijuana." he said it will be filled with his spirit. without the spirit they won't mow what the constitution is. man can make their own constitution. it saddens me to think america lowered it's resistance. we lost the concept of what it means to have balance and order. when a person goes and you leave out god's divine order you lost order. what is a nation to do but leave itself to ruin. we have become our open god, that's the old philosophy of humanize. a man wowed god can only go as far as man can go. what will we do. >> it is good to have your perspective. >> switching topics to the brutal throughout afflicting california. 2013 was the driest year for that state. the u.s. department of agriculture says 94% of the state experienced draught conditions. 9% suffering an exceptional drought. >> governor jerry brown chaired a drought state of emergency. he said the state should prepare for a long one. >> we are facing a serious drought. hopefully it will rain. there's evidence that droughts went on for decades and centuries. >> i'm joined from sacramento by timothy quin. good to have you with us. it rained in sacramento on wednesday, breaking a 52 day dry streak, was it a drop in the bucket. >> it's an example of too little, too late. >> the rainy season. this is the time. it's supposed to last until the end of june. california is way behind a typical year. >> we have never seen anything like this. this is the driest california has seen in its recorded history going back many years. >> you sent a couple of pictures. one shows you standing next to a tree stump in a desert with a small owa sis off to the side. the other shows what rocks - shows rocks and rubble on the bottom of the lake. what would the areas look like if california received its normal average rain and its snow melt this year. >> under normal conditions where you see me standing by the stump, i would be under water. as it is, i can see across the lake to the dam and there's not an nsh much water. fulslome lake, a primary source for the sacramento area doesn't qualify as a puddle right now. >> 17 small water districts in 10 rural counties facing severe shortages that they could run out of the water entirely. what can the state do to help them through the crisis. >> thankfully the governor declared emergency drought conditions, and the emergency powers are large. he has the power to order water move from one point to the other, helping a lot of areas that are stressed. it won't solve their problems. it can help them. there's not much to do. it's on a single river on the wrong elevation. the emergency declaration said the government insisted all calvians resist water use. this is the fourth drought. the calvia's experiences drought. this is the fourth i went through. if the people get the understanding that this is a state-wide crisis. they have invariably reduced water use. >> some areas have been called to reduce water usage by 30%, but some said "we are up in the mountains, we don't have lawns. 30% is something we can't do, is that the case?" in some places they may. we get down to some areas. some areas may not get that bad. you are looking at 20, 30, 50% mandatory rationing. it will be worse in the agricultural economy where they experience systematic affects. >> you guys have a 35 million agricultural industry. it produces more food than any other state in the united states. how badly damaged are california's farms. >> it depend where the farm is or the water supply. a lot will be in trouble. i have seen estimates that there'll be 500,000 acres of land in the central valley, fallowed for lack of water, translating to $1.7 billion. >> part of the problem too is that there's virtually no snow in the mountains or minimal. that melts later in the season, it's important for the rivers and lakes of california. >> they did a snow survey today, after this last little storm and our snow pick is at 12% of normal. it's abyss mally low. the big water projects that supply water have both declared they'll deliver no water to the california economy this year, unless there's a miraculous turn of the event. the state and federal project announced zero allocations. are there long-term solutions. the governor mentioned some droughts lasted not for years, but science showed droughts for centuries. there are long-term solutions, a lot of california inveted in better management of water. those investments will not hurt nearly as much as it would have. the government has, within the past week put out his administration, vision of our future in which we have to invest in more recycling and conservation. we need to fix a place in california. the governor is emphasising that we need to intest in more storage. the parts in california that have invested will work through the drought better than those that have got. governor brown is providing leadership that we need. he's announcing we'll deal with the crisis that is 2014, and he has the right plan out there for investing so that the next time we are hit by one of these, we see it coming around. the california economy will be better protected than it will be this year. >> thank you for your time, timothy quinn. >> time to see what is trending on the website with harmeli aregawi. >> a u.n. agency report said there's a global crisis. according to a report by unesco, a third of the world's primary school-aged children are unable to read, write or do maths. that's 250 million kids between the aunls of five and 11. many do not attend school. the global learning crisis is caused by a lack of well-trained teachers, especially in impoverished arse. more children are in school. the issue now is to put the focus on quality. on twitter a conversation broke out about the story. some don't see it as their problem. he tweeted who cared, more jobs for the kids that applied themselves. lexie responded: >> you can read more at the website aljazeera.com. >> straight ahead - the oscar nominated look at an artist who works in a unique space and risks his light in the process. worrisome numbers about children, and later did a film get stripped of an oscar nomination that plenty of others do free lie. >> we continue the series looking at the oscar nominated documentaries with a question - when does art become an obsession. the film, "cave digger" followed a garbage man who became an unusual artist. it has been nominated for an award. >> i'm obsessed. >> he's like a coke addict. he wants to keep going. >> he's not the typical person. he doesn't do things for himself. he does things for art. >> i don't put any energy into being a success. my strategy is to wait for something from heaven. >> i had ideas for ages that i have never gotten to try. i want to create a space that is transformative. >> jeffrey joins us from los angeles, the films director and producer. "cave digger" opens in select cities, playing with all the oscar nominated short entries and will be available on demand. good to have you with us. you follow a man as he builds incredible art in caves. all without tools. >> he starts in a mountainside. there's a particular material he cap where with that has a malleably and firmness, he recognises the material and sees from the outside of the mountain and the shape inside and digs in one direction and creates the cathedral-like spaces offer the course of months or years. >> it's amazing to see what he manages to create out of something that most people look at a mountain and can't imagine something like that. one of the caves that he's finished has bookshelves and doors and all sorts of details. how liveable are the spaces. >> that is probably the most liveable. caves that he created. it's wired for electricity, has internal plumbing and has a bath room in it. the others are used for meditation or relaxing or chanting. i think people tend to use the caves for that. >> he's a sculpture, doing incredible artwork. he started this at the age of 39. he is not formally trained. he wears on apology note if there's an accident and rescuers have to get his body, if something collapses. we saw a cave that he worked on, part of it collapsed. how dangerous was it. >> the note he put around his neck was something he did when he started his first cave because he had no idea. he was the first guy to have done this and was not sure the material would hold up. since that time he has done 14 caves and accept for one they held up. that one he was digging a material that he was not familiar with. that story is told in the film, of course. that is the reason that that cave came down. >> he seems to have an inner conflict about wanting recognition, but when he gets work for clients, the clients ask him to build a cave, he has issues. let's look at a clip. >> i couldn't quite get him into the mind-set that we were working together. he was off op a lone artist set. >> it's important for me to have a rapport with the people i do work with. i'm not the paint brush and my client is not the painter. >> your film seems to say something in general about artists, that it's something they have to do, it's not a choice. he seems to let his relationships go. he's obsessed with the project. >> i would say obsessed is a word he uses about himself. there's no place he would rather be than under the earth digging or carving. for me it's unpleasant. it gives him tremendous joy and fulfilment. what can you say about that. there's no youngster. it's impressive that a man, much less a man his age. but he doesn't seem to - he barely charges money. these things are incredible. why hasn't he tried to do that. >> he hasn't controlled any of the properties at all where he had the caves made. they were all commissioned works, except for the first thing that he did, which was on public land. it's not up to him to do that, to make money out of it. he is a person who has never been driven by material things. he said he could live in a tent. he really wants to work all day long. >> he's trying to build one final cave? >> he is. he's working on his magnas open two, the magnas open two was the gave where a chunk of the ceiling fell down. i was there on the day he broke down. i thought we'd have the film be the start of the cave and the end of the film when it's done. he revealed it would take him 10 years to do. >> it's an incredible story. great to have you with us. "cave digger" opened in select cities. as we said, it will be available on demand within a week on cavedigger.com. >> stripped of an oscar nomination, why a failed mail is being blameded for a film's loft honour. >> today's data dive checks whether america is a land of opportunity. a gallop poll finds 80% of americans feel they have the opportunity to learn and grow. sounds good. that ranks america as 19 out of 29 country said satisfied. the fact that polls show more than 60% of americans think the country is on the wrong track. switzerland came out on track. they felt their kids and a great opportunity. the swiss led a list. a country with the lowest score estonia: estonians were hit hard. there are other concerns about kids in america. when you ask whether kids are treated with respect and dignity only 66% feel near. >> 48% of those polled. they responded that it's unlikely that today's youth would have a better liar than their parents. maybe optimism is not dead yet. >> coming up, why did a movie lose an oscar nomination over something done in hollywood all the time. >> an oscar scandal erupted because of a nomination earned but taken away. the nominee "alone but not alone", was disqualified after the song's writer, a former member of the board of the academy was found to call and email academy members during the voting period. let's bill in bill wyman. a former npr arts editor. we hear about the questionable activities, but we rarely see action on the part of the academy. why this song and this movie. >> it's something as they said in the announcement that raises the feeling of inappropriate innocence much the academy runs a tight ship. they are run, they do a lot of things that most people frown on, i admire the academy for taking this action. this was a very, very obscure movie. it played for a week. at least you could see why some radar went off. >> there may have been impropriety. >> bruce, at the center of the scandal responded in dismay, devastated, disappointed. the awards have not pulled a nomination for a long time. do you think this is going to change things. that this will be tougher control than the one that exists. i think it reminds everyone. 10 or 15 years ago there was a fame out director who wrote an essay, writing about martin scoresaysy's editorial. it wasn't written by him. it caused consternation and the academy didn't take action, but a lot of members of the academy wanted to withdraw votes. it could have hurt gangs. if this happens in the past, you know, every once in a while you want to execute an admiral. >> it was emails and phone calls. people are spending millions to promote their movies, their songs, their actors. why is what he did a big deal. >> he was on an academy executive committee. it's the saying k some of the people that leap to his defense say "i get the calls from the publicist." the academy roles are broad. they say that people shouldn't be doing anything. we'll leave it up to officials to decide when something is bad. it's written specifically to say anything they think reflects badly on the academy. they run is tight ship. there's no leaks. you can criticise the oscars, it's a very ethical organization. they don't want to damage their brand the way some has. >> let's turn to television. hbo has a true series. they managed to get two stars. they got two stars to star in it. is this - as our banner says big stars will go smaller. there has been a lot of movie stars that have gone to tv. you don't see tom hanks or george clooney aching to go back to the small screen. the people you see going are character actors. there is a difference between tv acting and movie acting. they tend to be larger than life. there's a quality to the actors. it's different from the movie star, and the actors we are seeing moving, mcconna hay and harel son - they are a little decayed, decep ied and fit foo the show. >> i am sure they'd love that description. five, 10 years ag mcconnaghey was a muscled star. he basically destroyed his career. he looks worse for wear and tear. the accolades have been extraordinary. you do have a point. that is lot of these film stars are more character actors. you have people like claire danes, and mcconnaghey. >> kevin spacey. >> he has been a leading man, jeff daniels in "the newsroom", he is older, but a leading man for many years. >> yes. it's something we talked about before. tv is getting better and better. the high-end movie industry is getting smaller. you can see the convergens. "true detective" is a hell of a show. it works on so many levels. i heard the writer of the show found matthew mcconnoughey who said "you have to get woody harel son in this", they'd be surprised how well it turns out, the many layers, it's an adventure some tv show in terms of sin matography. and i love the them attic stuff. the stuff that goes on under the scenes in these two guise' minds. >> it's interesting to see how television seems to be becoming the more respected art form and there's an art form where the stars prefer tv to movies. >> the show may be over, the conversation continues on the website aljazeera.com/considerthis. we'll see you next time. >> good evening. welcome to al jazeera america. i'm john seigenthaler. human rights violations. new charges out of ukraine as the embattled president goes on sick leave. picture surface of a missing activist found badly beaten. >> apologise pile up after the form in atlanta. people want answers. >> stop and frisk, a national debate over crime fighting takes a new turn. >> public