sure. but do you feel that, nevertheless, perception could see you as being part of this whole programme which, in some people's minds, does really denote... i can understand that people might think that way, and i accept that there were people who feel that way. i don't know how to respond to it beyond that. i believe there are people who think that way. i think a lot of that is based on ignorance. some of that is based on this mistaken notion that we can somehow make the islamists who are attacking us like us, that if we just spent more time with the islamists, trying to convince them that it would be ok, but i spent years with khalid sheikh mohammed and the other high—level, the top 1a or so terrorists that the us captured, and it was clear to me from talking to them that there was nothing that we were going to do that would allow them to accept western democracy. in fact, they said western democracy and true sharia cannot coexist.