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30 backbenchers on the right of the party are backing plans to change it in one direction to one extent or another, and one of them's here with us. robertjenrick, conservative mp for newark. hello! hello, good evening. good evening! _ so, robert, give us a sense, first of all, for newscasters, about what it is that you guys are suggesting. well, our only interest is in making this work. if we're going to pursue this policy, and i strongly believe in it, i think it's absolutely critical that we do have a deterrent, and i think that illegal migration is one of the big ills facing not just this country, but all developed countries around the world today and for years to come, as we live in an age of mass migration, with millions of people on the move looking to leave, either fleeing wars and persecution, orjust for better economic prospects. so we have to put in place a deterrent like this, but we've got to be honest with ourselves about whether this actually works or not. and having been one of the authors of this policy for many, many months

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