obtain contraceptives. nobody is saying they can't obtain contraceptives, the employer is saying i don't want to pay for them. >> the terms of insurance are set by the government all the time. if you have a corporation where the -- >> no. >> -- where the employer, the owner says, you know, we don't want to have black people work there so we won't offer insurance to our black employees. that's something that's illegal. >> that's right. >> of course, because there is a compelling government interest to radical racism and in this particular case birth control or whatever it might be, whatever -- >> wait -- >> it's not that compelling -- >> [ overlapping speakers ] >> so obviously it's not compelling for a woman to have the right to choose -- >> the majority here -- >> that's not a compelling be interest in your view? >> i think that's conflicting the issue before the court. the case is not whether women have the right to contraceptive.