he's knot -- got tremendous history as a journalist. he's broken important stories years ago, what do you make of this one? >> that's all true, but the firefight that took place at the bin laden compound is incontrovertibly true. the idea that it was a piece of performance art cooked up by the united states and the pakistanis. there's no evidence for that. in fact there's a lot of counter-failing evidence. you mentioned in your interview, you have the two s.e.a.l.s on the record explaining about the firefights, i saw with my own eyes, the damage this raid inflicted on the compound before it was demolished. >> he's saying there are no other shots fired than the shots that killed win -- bin laden. >> that's right. >> you saw bullet holes? >> i mean i -- there was quite an intense exchange of fire with one of the body guards. dozens of bullet holes in one of the houses in the compound before they even got to bin laden. so that sort of factual element we is set aside. there was a firefight, there wasn't a setup between the u.s. and pakistanis which is one of