elder statesman. democratic party. that risks that in their final run? >> joe biden has earned the right to run. after vice president. what george w. bush did. the long here waits, to maggie's point. i think more of a gamble it becomes. he is going to get in. ought to probably do it sooner rather than later. unless another big shoe drops on the e-mail question. >> david, vice president widen, you see hillary clinton. if you are him. you see hillary clinton day after day. another headline that is the advantage i guess of waiting. is that you wait until the last possible second to make a decision just in case something else comes out. >> absolutely. and -- you also get a better sense of how the wind blows. the longer you wait. the excitement about him running, people waiting for him.