>> that is a mistake. if you teach your candidate to focus on him is the big mistake. the first. is get message and drive page out. >> their message. >>er that message e message to the public. if you are just debating donald trump, you are taking his bathe, really, you have toest r effectively counterpunch donald trump should he attack you. >> rand palm was aggressive in the last debate going after donald trump out of the blue. >> i think that's a mistake, you are playing into donald trump's hand. he made a living. he says he's an effective count puncher. if you go after donald trump first, you are playing into his hands t. best way is to drive your message. really the two people loving life in this primary right now are hillary clinton and barack obama because when the candidates are fighting amongst each other, they're not going against them. that's correct. >> in terms of body language is that something, a, you put a lot of stock into and, is it