no, it's not. the congress of the united states appropriated money for an ally who is in a war and losing people. and what the president decided to do is withhold that money which mulvaney says was quid pro quo. he doesn't say that was the quid pro quo, but a quid pro quo for them doing something that he wanted done. and then the course of his conversation he said look, by the way, i need a favor. and the favor was to look into a political opponent, not in 2016, but in 2020. and so i think it cannot help the case and will be part of the testimony and evidence that the committees are gathering. >> mulvaney is claiming that the president pursuing this conspiracy theory, which flies in the face of what the intelligence community says was russian involvement in the dnc hack, mulvaney is claiming that was a concern about corruption in ukraine. just logically, that also doesn't make sense.