everything you're talking about in the previous segment just suggests we're not out of this situation. we're still having all of the lies about what happened in 2020 and what's going to happen in 2024. >> in the book, you write a lot about vladimir putin obviously, his ability to manipulate people, including donald trump. do you think trump has managed also to tap into some of those same tactics here in the u.s., particularly with members of the republican party? or is it just the fact he has so much support among the base that he doesn't even need to be particularly clever and manipulative? >> it's a bit of a mixture of both. there's a well trod playbook that vladimir putin and many other authoritarian leaders have laid out. a lot is the manipulation of the information space, conspiracy theories, telling them lies and giving them voracity because it's you, the president of the united states, very significant. the environment of the president saying it, for instance, but