what the "times" has been reporting, that the president and allies took steps towards -- the u.s. military, the department of justice and the department of homeland security to seize voting machines? >> i'm seeing the same reporting that you are. and this seems to be based on the reporting one subplot or one set of tactics that didn't go forward. unlike the incitement of the mob to breach the capitol, unlike the clear efforts to go after mike pence. but it does demonstrate his overall purpose and intent, which was something he spoke out loud over the weekend. one of the interesting things about donald trump, sometimes people think because he's so overt about the criminality, it can't really be criminal.