me. that's silly rhetoric. it doesn't get us to where -- >> the fact that you're on here knowing how dangerous times are right now, defending this nonsense, calling people these folks -- >> hold on, holden. let's reset the table. reset the table. hold on. angela -- just to be clear. patrick, give me a second -- patrick. calm down so we can have a rational conversation. you're not saying that he's a terrorist. you're saying that the threat in this country is what exactly? >> it's racist rhetoric and that type of rhetoric fueling the type of hatred that is resulting in white supremacist threats, the increase in hate crimes all over this country. >> okay. i take your point. patrick, why are you shaking your head on this? this is a matter of fact. white supremacist are -- hold on. let me finish. you can't -- listen. don't make a mistake, don't come