this would include anyone that could be involved. and that certainly doesn't -- doesn't absolve the bidens in any way. former vice president nor his son. we should move forward very care fly, my friend. >> as long as it's on the basis of fact. i see one small irony right now. what the president is accusing joe biden of, he must also be necessarily guilty of. the only difference between the two scenarios, holding back something to get to ukraine is we have proof that the president did it to play the political advantage and we don't have that proof with biden. but you're right, we must go with deliberate concern and see what meat can be put on the bones. congressman clay higgins, thank you for being part of that conversation. you're always welcome here. >> thank you, chris. we should just move forward very carefully here. it importa it's important for you are country. >> done.