i mean if you cannot, as congress, oversee the executive branch, we don't have co-equal parts of government anymore. i think that's basically what she's saying. he's not a king. he has to be subject to in certain ways pursuant to the constitution the other branches, including the judicial branch, which of course is judge jackson issuing this opinion. so, you know, they better listen. >> now, one thing obviously we know the white house has already said that they will appeal this case. this will be appealed, so this could drag on for some time. but on the issue of don mcgahn, jeffrey, you looked very carefully at the language used by don mcgahn's lawyers, which don mcgahn's legal team didn't say, we're just going to see this through to the bitter end, let the appeals process play out. what don mcgahn's attorney said is he will testify if this decision is not stayed. >> right, and i don't want to bore people with too much civil procedure here. but what's important is that when you appeal something,