collapse of the government, he likely would have accelerated the collapse of the government and produced the same situation. that's what he believes. charlie may believe differently, but i don't think biden's going to fire people for doing what he wanted done with the result that he is content with. >> charlie? >> well, look, there has to be some level of accountability. i don't know how anybody can really defend what has just occurred. i mean it breaks my heart to see this sacrifice. it seems -- i don't want to say it was in vain, but people sacrificed so much for this. i mean how can anybody, you know, think that turning over this country to the taliban -- look, trump and biden fundamentally agreed on afghan policy. basically joe biden implemented donald trump's, what h.r. mcmaster called a surrender agreement. >> before you go into that, and i promise i'll let you finish. hang on. as i said in the open to the