over the last number of years really. >> you're aware that the gop-led states across the country are working hard to pass restrictive voting measures. several states already have. won't these sorts of laws and the gop efforts to hold on to power really blunt any momentum for a third party? >> what's interesting is the one state that has already adopted open primaries and ranked choice voting is alaska, which is a deep red state. it turns out that americans of every political alignment think that our system will work better if our leaders have to try and appeal to 51% of voters instead of just the 10% to 20% on either side. so this isn't a red or a blue thing. this is a systemic thing, and that's why we all feel like we're being driven crazy and being pitted against each other. that's what we have to change. we have to disentangle the incentives so they actually line up with our interests, the interests of the american people. >> soi i have your book here. it's called "forward." way nt to read a part about the