>> and so do the french. >> exactly. >> that's why that is an appealing thing. and i understand -- >> what's appealing? >> the idea of separating the chemical weapons out and dealing with it as a question that has to be resolved and keeping it independent of the issue of the civil war. >> we need to be really careful. it would be fabulous and a game changer but so many people have said, you know, it's such a grain of salt you have to take assad with when he says things like that. we don't know the logistics. >> you don't really know. >> but here's the problem. this is what is so fascinating about assad. look, as you said, there is an element of psychopath about the man. he talks so calmly and so gently. and with that lisp and you know, butter wouldn't melt in his mouth and everybody i talked to describes a man as ruthless as his brothers and father.