issue. >> don't you think it's a little hypocritical though when the ryan budget, i can give you numbers, does decimate programs that were to keep veterans off the street, help them. decimated those programs a few months ago and making those votes and now demagoguing the issue. >> the sequester was president obama's idea. the sequester is having a worse effect on defense and veterans than anything this paul ryan budget that has not been implemented has suggested. >> was the sequester actually supposed to be implemented? they love saying -- >> it was agreed upon to be something both sides disliked. now it's the republican c.r. that accepts those sequester numbers, which is bad for defense, particularly in a state like mine of virginia. but this is the republican number. the democratic number is 1056. the republicans are at 988. we've send that number which you yourself have just agreed is bad for our defense and national security. >> no. >> so republicans are winning a fight that is hurting our defense sector and the president is saying if that's what it takes to keep government open. i think we should be going back to the kind of budget that