point example which is one that does appear to be about semantics. i think a lot of reasonable people could understand what ben carson is saing. it seems to be different than other cases. >> absolutely. the problem that he faces is that there are different examples of this that we are looking at every day it seems to be something new. if he can't get past this he needs to look at this as an opportunity to get past it. if he can't get past it it will have a real impact on his campaign and whether he is treated fairly or unfairly running for president is a hard thing to do. i don't think -- >> and i think the debate is important. if he can answer this and move on and put a period or explanation point i think he will probably be fine. if this continues to drag out week after week with another he said she said moment from his early life stories that will be a problem for him but right now i don't think he is at that point. >> we will see if these debate