donors, and many of those guys i was talking to, men mostly, were saying i really like that pete buttigieg, he's really interesting if biden doesn't run, i think that's who i'm going to get behind. so to the extent that's been part of his strategy, he has been waiting to see whether there would be a moment for the strategy. and the cracks that we're starting to see, the softness we're seeing in places like iowa may give him that chance. the polls still show biden in a much stronger role, but all of us are waiting to see how long the national trends hold. >> and you talk about iowa and new hampshire. you look here, joe biden struggling, 17% in iowa, fourth place again. this is just a snapshot. joe biden in new hampshire, 15%, in third place. but listen, you look nationally at all of the polls, they've shown him much stronger. best chance to beat donald trump, he's got 42% there. closest on the issues, 25%. so some good news there for biden, at least nationally.