issue. i mean, we know that this is a humanitarian crisis. we know it's a national security crisis given the fact that so many folks are streaming over our bothered, and the fact that the president is going to be raising money for his political allies basically down the road but not go and visit the actual site of where this -- this big crisis is taking place i think is a real big approximate and i think that's why the president's standing among the american people on questions of leadership, that's why his standing has taken a hit in recent months. >> paul, i mean, optics are just that, they are optics, but when the country is watching, when it kind of matters. a lot of people, as kevin is saying, how did the white house, how did the president not see this coming? >> well, you know, former president george h.w. bush, the good bush, used to say 90% of life is just showing up and i love that. he's right, and the president should show up. he should go to the border. it's not a crisis of his making, and we understand that, and i've been in meetings like that back