courage of your convictions. they're going to try to portray this not as a failure but as a success because they inspired people to act. >> but isn't it a failure? i mean it's a pretty spectacular failure. they got out of the car and they were shot dead. >> heck no, it's not a failure. >> phil, you don't see it as a failure either. just the fact they were inspired from thousands of miles away that means it's a success even though they weren't able to kill anyone. >> correct. i mean when i work at the agency i'm paid to look at the world through the eyes of the adversary. this is what the adversary thinks. if we can't -- if we want to inspire a global revolution we can't meet with pay, direct every person who might be part of this revolution. we need simply for them to get the kernel of an idea that leads them to act. if they fail that's okay because somebody one state over or five states over will sit back watch tv in their living room and say, you know, i've been thinking about this for six months and now i feel embarrassed because i don't have the courage to do what these guys did. the other thing i'd say about this is i always learned to