with you, ben, a man getting upset about how many people die in this country is not weakness. it is strength that he's showing by showing the emotion. can we at least agree on that? >> sure. i have no problem. i said this yesterday when people started criticizing him for crying. i think it was genuine, sincere. you're seeing family members coming to the white house hoping and looking for some answers when they had their children murdered, 20 of them, in that school room. the problem i have is the fact that the president yesterday implied that somehow what he was signing could have stopped sandy hook, could have saved one of the 20 children in that classroom. that is the part that frustrates me. because if he would have signed this seven years ago, it would not have affected any of these mass shootings because we know looking at those guns, how they were purchased. they were purchased legally and this law that he is doing or executive action, whatever you want to call it, is giving, i think, false hope to these families that came to the white house, somehow thinking when