and she seems to be reframing this conversation every time it comes up to what insurance companies are doing to american families right now. that is how voters are experiencing this issue. when i think about my health care costs, i don't think about premiums versus co-pays versus taxes. i have one line item on my spread sheet for that. it's just the one. that's how american families experience it. and we spend a lot of time talking about why something is going to be politically difficult as opposed to why something is morally necessary. elizabeth warren keeps reframing this issue every time we bring it up. that's what people are looking for. we're not electing a health care plan. we're elect -- >> she took a pile on like she's never taken before and polls suggest she still won that debate. people aren't looking for a health care plan to elect a president. they are looking for a leader. the other part of this is that we forget this is the starting point of a negotiation. we've been through a health care fight before. you don't walk in and rubber