like sondland who doesn't even know who told him the military money was lenveraged on this investigation. there were two quid pro quos here and sondland and others have testified that they have heard from the president's lips that they needed an investigation for this head of state meeting to actually occur with ukraine. this was something ukraine really wanted. so even though, you know, perhaps there was -- there's not going to be someone up there to say i heard directly from the president's lips that the military aid was linked to this investigation, people have testified multiple people that it came from the president's lips when it came to the head of state meeting. >> and overarching all of this is the issue of rudy giuliani. and if rudy giuliani is telling people to do something, who's telling rudy giuliani? giuliani has said over and over again, i was the presidented lawyer. that's the only purpose i had over there. so the idea you can draw some d